Nate: Right. They're quite literally wizards, dealing with arcane mysteries. Mysteries that need to be punished or supported for the hackers and hacker cops respectively. But the lawmakers, the general public... few people actually know what it is they're dealing with.

Alex: Yeah, it reminds me of a chat I had with Billy Rios, a security researcher at Google. He's ex-military, and he takes his new job as seriously as the old one. Perversely, the people he's trying to protect have no idea what he's talking about or what his job entails; only his targets are smart and savvy enough to understand his achievements. Also, Mitch Kapor is pretty neat...

David: Yeah but we're not there yet; we learn how neat he REALLY is next week. One other thing I love, one that Sterling doesn't ever explicitly point out...

Alex: How so?

David: One thing that comes up with every new computer cop Sterling meets is that he sorta says the right tech code phrase...