David: Yeah, and a bunch of weird looking dudes in a diner around DEFCON or the Chaos Communications Conference.
Alex: Right, after hanging around the RSA Conference I can tell you the modern hacker is a pale teenager in a black t-shirt and black jeans. So have things changed? Maybe not so much.
Nate: It's all gotten a little subtler. It's what generally happens when the general public finds out about a thing.
David: Right! And also it's more institutionalized in a certain way.
Alex: How so?