The third main reason is folks compelling their third-party providers to get certified. We're seeing more and more of that, and quite a significant uptick in the last 18 to 24 months.
IDGNS: Why do you think that is?
J.K.: As more and more critical computing goes to third parties, there's more and more at risk, and there's more need for an affirmation.
IDGNS: So the tier system becomes more important for businesses as they put more workloads in third-party facilities?
J.K.: Agreed.