So, $38.2 million, it's not about the numbers but it's really about what you get out of the numbers and if you moved things forward. If I looked at any governmental program, that's how I would evaluate it: what are the results?

What I like about it is the evaluation process of the National Institute of Health, the National Science Foundation and some of the other government funded agencies is that they're willing to do public-private partnerships, except for things that affect national security. So we do a lot of work with a research lab which is an established security lab over in Washington -- the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory -- in high-performance computing data analysis because they're working on cyber security.

It's definitely the way to go; you have to have a balance between public and private. The thing that I would like to see in terms of that investment is a benefit to the tax payers in some form, whether it's cleaner water or whatever. I see a lot of that coming from our NASA space program and from some of the military technology. But the problem with any new breakthrough is there are always ethical issues. There's a lot of technology sitting in labs, I'm sure --ours included -- that may or may not make it to the market and the timing is critical.