Like Energizer and XL Capital did? Right.

They're the only two paying, public customers. We have other customers we're talking to. We're really in product development mode -- we started this not even two years ago. And if you think of the product development life cycle, "not even two years" is fairly early.

Do you view the services model as a sea change for IT? It's going to be over time. But I think that's a great thing. With any CIO, a lot of what they would run as a service, they wouldn't consider strategic. Then you as an IT organization can focus your resources on what you consider more strategic and more unique to your company.