David: Well I mean the concept of people doing this just to do it is sort of bizarre from the outside, and not exactly the criminal mindset.

Alex: Exactly! When information becomes a commodity, suddenly exploration and experimentation become a crime.

Nate: The "hacker" mindset... it's about exploration. Whereas Sterling describes phreakers as... I'm not entirely sure what to make of that sect, actually; "proto-trolls" was the vibe I got. The original 4chan, wreaking havoc on corporate voice terminals "for the lulz."

Alex: True.

David: I guess...