Alex: Google, don't fail me now! Also, holy crap Google has basically rendered hacker culture moot; (unless you want to start talking about the deep web, or cracking isolated systems) you don't need to trade codes for philes anymore. All the information you could ever want about anything is instantly aggregated at your command

Nate: Nah, "hacker culture" has simply gone further underground. A quick trip through IRC will make that clear. There are plenty of things you can't get through Google, or torrents, or whatever (for good reason). Obscure anime. Old, unpopular movies. Kiddie porn. Etcetera.

Alex: Seems like the best way to get rid of hackers is open up rather than crack down.

David: there's a great Cory Doctorow talk about how Google is the greatest file-sharing software in existence and it's really awkward because it's AT GOOGLE and he's asking them to raise their hand if they ever pirated something (and used Google to do it) and everyone is like, sheepishly raising their hand.

Alex: Ha! Also, apparently the U.S. Secret Service got involved once we caught foreign hackers cracking codes for contract pay from the KGB