CIO: About how much earlier if you had it all to do over again?

Stepper: I would have spent, instead of the first half of this year, I would have done that at least six months earlier.

CIO: How large is the pool of enterprise application developers working on these projects now?

Stepper: That's an excellent question. So, across Deutsche Bank we have thousands of people just for the investment bank, and if you add in all of the key personnel at DB, it should certainly eclipse 10,000 people.

They're not all working on SOA projects per se, but the way we use SOA and why it's a big deal for us is, it's not a narrow definition. It's purposefully a broad definition of what a service is, what a reusable asset is, and by all means we use the traditional SOA tools and infrastructure to connect things. But as we talk about it across DB, it's much more about how to do things once and do them right, and not limit that to a narrow technical interpretation.